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PostSubject: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeThu Jul 26, 2012 6:49 pm

This song is easily one of my favorites off of Handwritten, and probably one of my favorites ever lyrically. The visuals this song creates are just stunning, and i cant listen to it without getting chills. For the life of me, though, I can't figure out the significance of one of the lines in it. I'm talking about the
"I was born beside a river, that flows to a raging sea, that will one day serve to quell, or one day be the death of me"
Any ideas?
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeThu Jul 26, 2012 6:50 pm

There is an ocean in his soul where the waves do not curl
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeThu Jul 26, 2012 6:52 pm

I think he's saying that there's something within his nature that's going to destroy something or someone important in his life.
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeThu Jul 26, 2012 7:01 pm

and... he WAS born beside a river that flows to a raging sea - the Navesink river that goes right through Red Bank, NJ (therefore the song "The Navesink Banks").
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeThu Jul 26, 2012 7:41 pm

Bea wrote:
and... he WAS born beside a river that flows to a raging sea - the Navesink river that goes right through Red Bank, NJ (therefore the song "The Navesink Banks").

Exactly. And leads to a bay that goes into the Atlantic.
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeThu Jul 26, 2012 7:47 pm

NYYFAN523 wrote:
Bea wrote:
and... he WAS born beside a river that flows to a raging sea - the Navesink river that goes right through Red Bank, NJ (therefore the song "The Navesink Banks").

Exactly. And leads to a bay that goes into the Atlantic.

Ohh so it's literal? I don't know the area so I had no idea.
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeFri Jul 27, 2012 12:25 am

Who is Mae? I sorta get the feeling she is more of another Mary (from 1930) than a past lover (though the salty carnival kiss is odd). I almost feel like this song could be about his mother... it would explain why its a favorite of Brian's and why she is clearly someone he loves without being a past lover. Given its supposed to be a super personal album and he wrote a song about his Dad, it wouldn't surprise me that he wrote a song about his mom though.

Certainly one of the best songs on the album =) (Though as far as songs about mothers go, Lucero's Mom still has it beat. That song is fucking perfect)
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeFri Jul 27, 2012 1:37 am

If Mae is about Mama Fallon then Brian's one creepy dude.
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeFri Jul 27, 2012 1:56 am

CluckyB wrote:
Who is Mae? I sorta get the feeling she is more of another Mary (from 1930) than a past lover (though the salty carnival kiss is odd). I almost feel like this song could be about his mother... it would explain why its a favorite of Brian's and why she is clearly someone he loves without being a past lover. Given its supposed to be a super personal album and he wrote a song about his Dad, it wouldn't surprise me that he wrote a song about his mom though.

Certainly one of the best songs on the album =) (Though as far as songs about mothers go, Lucero's Mom still has it beat. That song is fucking perfect)

yeah not sure where the mom angle is coming from. care to elaborate on your theory a bit more?

i just think it's about a past lover. he's thinking about her and how she used to be back then (it's been so long mae so long, i miss your ways) and is compelled to reconnect. obviously there's more to it than that but i don't really see the mom angle.
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeFri Jul 27, 2012 8:00 am

CluckyB wrote:
Who is Mae? I sorta get the feeling she is more of another Mary (from 1930) than a past lover (though the salty carnival kiss is odd). I almost feel like this song could be about his mother... it would explain why its a favorite of Brian's and why she is clearly someone he loves without being a past lover. Given its supposed to be a super personal album and he wrote a song about his Dad, it wouldn't surprise me that he wrote a song about his mom though.

Certainly one of the best songs on the album =) (Though as far as songs about mothers go, Lucero's Mom still has it beat. That song is fucking perfect)

The best mother song ive heard is 'Hard to find the words' by Cinderella. Now thats a power ballad!
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeFri Jul 27, 2012 8:01 am

Im 99% sure this songs not about his mum.
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeFri Jul 27, 2012 9:47 am

CluckyB wrote:
Who is Mae? I sorta get the feeling she is more of another Mary (from 1930) than a past lover (though the salty carnival kiss is odd). I almost feel like this song could be about his mother... it would explain why its a favorite of Brian's and why she is clearly someone he loves without being a past lover. Given its supposed to be a super personal album and he wrote a song about his Dad, it wouldn't surprise me that he wrote a song about his mom though.

Certainly one of the best songs on the album =) (Though as far as songs about mothers go, Lucero's Mom still has it beat. That song is fucking perfect)

I did read this in a review..

‘Mae’ reveals Fallon’s romanticism with a soft, heartfelt chorus ‘You can lean into me if you ain’t been in love for a while’ while the song title could be a reference to classic film star Mae West, adding to the long list of Gaslight Anthem references to classic cinema.


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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeFri Jul 27, 2012 9:57 am

Jerseyrain wrote:
CluckyB wrote:
Who is Mae? I sorta get the feeling she is more of another Mary (from 1930) than a past lover (though the salty carnival kiss is odd). I almost feel like this song could be about his mother... it would explain why its a favorite of Brian's and why she is clearly someone he loves without being a past lover. Given its supposed to be a super personal album and he wrote a song about his Dad, it wouldn't surprise me that he wrote a song about his mom though.

Certainly one of the best songs on the album =) (Though as far as songs about mothers go, Lucero's Mom still has it beat. That song is fucking perfect)

The best mother song ive heard is 'Hard to find the words' by Cinderella. Now thats a power ballad!

Sorry, but the one thing Clucky's right about is Lucero's Mom being the best song about mothers ever. Seriously, that song will make you shed manly tears and call up your mama. It's that good.
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeSun Jul 29, 2012 6:44 am

Whenever I hear this songs, I always think it's a sort of love letter to Sink or Swim, what with the refrences to The Navesink Banks, Drive and "The radio on..."
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeSun Jul 29, 2012 12:42 pm

After a week on repeat, this is still my favorite song on the album. I love it so much. I can't let myself listen to it while I'm working anymore because I stop everything just to listen to it, and then I get nothing done.
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeSun Jul 29, 2012 2:10 pm

Kosburn59 wrote:
I think he's saying that there's something within his nature that's going to destroy something or someone important in his life.

I know I'm a little late to this conversation, but in regards to this part of Mae,

I was born beside a river
That flows to a raging sea
That will one day serve to quell
Or one day be the death of me


I agree with Keegan that it seems to be a metaphor for Brian thinking something in his nature is destructive, but on the "serve to quell" end of it, there's another side of him that can be calm. Maybe he has two extremes to his personality. I could just be psychologically projecting my own feelings into this song, but that's what I got from it. Sure, there's the literal meaning of the Navesink River flowing out into the Atlantic, but knowing Brian's writing style like we all do, there could be something more to it than just an actual river.

It's pretty cool how people can see different things in these songs, and they all make sense. Art is subjective and even though it's interesting to find out what Brian was thinking when he wrote the lyrics, whatever they mean to us is what really matters. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeSun Jul 29, 2012 3:51 pm

IrishNameAndAnInjury wrote:

It's pretty cool how people can see different things in these songs, and they all make sense. Art is subjective and even though it's interesting to find out what Brian was thinking when he wrote the lyrics, whatever they mean to us is what really matters. Smile

I completely agree, it's one of my favorite things about gaslight songs that they're so open for interpretation. They can fit almost any situation you're in. This was the first time I was ever really like, "hmm I wonder what that means. I'm drawing a total blank here."
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeSun Jul 29, 2012 10:25 pm

I obviously don't know what Brian intended but I like Shannon's interpretation. Maybe like, everything that makes him who he is (like where he's from and more maybe his own internal struggles/mentality) will either one day resolve itself or destroy him. Almost like he's wondering that.

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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeSat Aug 04, 2012 1:13 am

SubconsciousRitual wrote:
After a week on repeat, this is still my favorite song on the album. I love it so much. I can't let myself listen to it while I'm working anymore because I stop everything just to listen to it, and then I get nothing done.

I'm with you. That guitar gets stuck in my head....love it.

I like the interpretation of self-destruction....the inner struggle to not ruin something good, but the battle inside causes issues in the relationship.
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeMon Oct 15, 2012 11:14 am

Was listening to some Tim Barry earlier and wait at Milano came on. The last line of the song is "You goin' west come May Just stay the same, no never change". I know Tim is refering to the month of May and Brian obviously the name Mae but just something to think about there...
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeMon Oct 15, 2012 10:46 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHmhIvtxEzQ

I found this For Mae. Acoustic. But to stay on topic, I do agree with the insight about "I was born beside a river that flows to a raging sea. That will someday serve to quell or someday be the death of me", being about his personal nature. I think we all have that part of us, a part that will threaten to destroy everything we hold close, or want to. Whether it is a relationship, a family, or even friendship. But there is also the other side of us that tries to keep us calm, safe, and peaceful.
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeMon Oct 15, 2012 11:18 pm

Jonnyn8 wrote:
Was listening to some Tim Barry earlier and wait at Milano came on. The last line of the song is "You goin' west come May Just stay the same, no never change". I know Tim is refering to the month of May and Brian obviously the name Mae but just something to think about there...

Nice catch! Knowing how Brian is with references and that he listens to Tom Barry I'd say that's a pretty clear steal/reference. You should add it to the thread that's the complete list of references.

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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeTue Oct 16, 2012 1:39 pm

well noticed! i used very similar almost exact lyrics with my band before the handwritten came out but i dont think brian robbed me unless hes a closet fan haha
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeTue Oct 16, 2012 1:54 pm

"Stay the same, don't ever change" is not exactly revolutionary as far as lyrical content goes. Nothing wrong with it, it's solid and not too played-out, but I'm not surprised it's been used before.
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PostSubject: Re: Mae   Mae Icon_minitimeTue Oct 16, 2012 2:29 pm

nothings original in music nowadays
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