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White Man In Hammersmith Wooderson
Posts : 301 Join date : 2012-05-19 Age : 34 Location : Swansea, Wales
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:30 pm | |
| @NicholasHorror Good post mate. Most songwriters are aware and very grateful to the people that connect and treasure the songs they write. That's how it should be. | |
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IrishNameAndAnInjury The Navesink Banks
Posts : 13514 Join date : 2011-09-16 Age : 42 Location : Spokane Valley, WA
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:36 pm | |
| - Matt L wrote:
- See, here's how I see it.
- inarticulate wall of text:
Someone you have never (personally, I know quite a few have actually met him) met says something and instantly you begin writing three paragraph essays about his frame of mind and how this new revelation is a huge blow to the collective psyche of the TGArmy. It's really quite strange. Brian is not a scientific experiment that requires in-depth analysis into each and every facet of his daily life. I'll admit that this interview seems a bit off (unfortunately it seems every interview he's had in the past year is either really on or really off) but come off it, mates.
Brian has mentioned time and time again that it's not necessarily the fans who he dislikes-- it's the weirdos who take pictures of him working on his house, stalk his wife's instagram, and send him their soggy undergarments in the mail (okay, maybe that hasn't happened yet) that he wants to get away from.
If you read this and said, "you can't placate me? What? But I loved Handwritten!" he is simply not talking to you. You know why the phrase "you can't placate people" seems so strange to you guys? We're on pretty much the only successful fansite for The Gaslight Anthem on the internet. You know why we're here? Because we are placated by Brian! We like Brian! Brian likes us! If you go to any other site on the internet, there's bound to be a huge amount of haters (punknews, unfortunately a cesspit whose readers pretty much hate every single band in existence, even the ones they do like, for example).
And am I the only one who saw the comment, "We want to be big . . . we want to be a big band, but we don't want to be your best friends. You don't know me." as being related to the previous paragraph about not caring about the press? As in he doesn't care what the press says, and doesn't care if he's best friends with the press?
(Also, I understand the hypocrisy in criticizing the huge, huge posts people have been writing, with great intentions I might add, as it's always good to be passionate about something and criticizing something you're passionate about is the best kind, but I think everyone needs to calm down.)
Matt, this is probably the most intelligent post in the whole thread. | |
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Shrewsbury_Stars The Navesink Banks
Posts : 1512 Join date : 2010-05-06 Location : Back In The Swamps of Jersey
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:42 pm | |
| I really don't see one side of this debate convincing the other and people should just agree to disagree.
Either you are bothered by certain comments or you're not. If you're not bothered, great, I don't want you to be. But don't tell me I'm "fucking ridiculous" if I feel differently.
The fact is that some people view all things Brian Fallon-related through rose tinted glasses and they drink the Brian Fallon Kool-Aid. And that's fine. I'm just not one of those folks. | |
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NeverTrustAJunkie The Navesink Banks
Posts : 4685 Join date : 2009-10-22
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:03 pm | |
| Here is part of an interview I did with Frank Turner that gives you an insight as to how it is dealing with fans. Not saying that Brian agrees with Frank 100%, but since they seem to have similar sensibilities about things, I am sure he can relate. - Spoiler:
On to your relationship with your fans. You've made yourself very accessible to them via Twitter and regular interaction on your forum. Is there a downside to that for you at all?
FT: The first thing I should say is that I'm not all that comfortable with the word "fan" per se. To me it seems like a slightly derogatory word, you know what I mean?
Oh, ok. Well what term do you prefer to use?
FT: Just..."people at my shows." I know that's kind of a clumsy way of putting it. I guess growing up with the whole slightly Bon Jovi-ish "We're doing it for the FANS man!" thing. In that context, that word to me has the same ring about it as "proles." Kind of like "the little people" who pay their money and enable me to be some f**king coke-boshing, jacuzzi-trashing ass.
It makes me uncomfortable because to me, the whole point of punk rock certainly is that there's continuum between the people in the audience and the people in music. It's community music. That ethos incidentally is why I think that punk and folk have kind of embraced each other. Punk has embraced folk as an idea recently because of that idea of it being an equal community. So the two slot into each other quite neatly.
I love hanging out with people at shows and stuff. I like meeting people, I'm a gregarious person, so it's cool. I've got a lot of friends who I've met because they like my music. We hang out, I stay around their house when I'm on tour and they stay at mine. Well, when I have a house, which isn't very often.
There are moments when there are occasionally people who, and I'll try to phrase this as politely as I can, are bad at identifying social boundaries. I think some people view me as a construct more than a person, therefore their behavior around me can be difficult and annoying. One of my absolute pet hates is if after a show, I'm sitting around with a bunch of people having a conversation with somebody and somebody else walks over and just starts talking to me like I'm not already in the middle of something. It's like, "Really? I mean I'll talk to you the minute I'm free, then you can have my full undivided attention and all my time. But I'm actually literally midway through a sentence with someone right now." That's just mind-bogglingly rude. I think people kind of view it as "This is a CD that I'm talking to" rather than an individual. That I find difficult. Then there are some people who start trying to find out where I sleep and s**t like that.
I mean, I want to be completely available and on the level with everybody. But the flip side of that is that I request people treat me normally as well. Occasionally I think the problem is that there are people who think that the rules of social engagement when they're talking to me are different because I just played a show. And the whole point for me is that's not true.
I was about to ask why you thought some other artists choose not to get too close with their fans, but I think you've already kind of answered that in a way.
FT: The thing about it is that, and not that I'm saying that you're doing this, but there are times when sometimes in interviews people are essentially trying to get me to say that people who don't interact with their fans the way that I do are all automatically rock star a**holes. But I'm not saying that you're doing that.
No, definitely not. To clarify what I meant, as an example, Jay-Z doesn't take the time to post on his forum and answer people's questions like you do. But I never took that as he looks down on them. I just wondered why some artists choose not to get too involved with their listeners.
FT: I think part of it is some people just aren't gregarious people. I know plenty of people who play in bands who are very, very shy and introverted and find dealing with large numbers of people, and new people, very intimidating. What they want to do is play and go home. I think that's a perfectly legitimate approach to take. Then there are moments sometimes when, after a show, I really just am not in the mood to hang out and people kind of give me s**t. I had that a couple of days ago. I was a little sick after a show in Belfast and I really needed to just go to sleep because I have more shows coming up and I don't want to jeopardize that. There were some people who were all "Aw, come on man!" And it's like "Really dude? I'm trying to do the best I can here. Cut me some slack." End: Rock Star Complaining Moment.
Shrewsbury- I've seen people say extremely dumb things to band members. For example, I've seen idiots try to encourage a known recovering alcoholic to get drunk with them, and groupie girls hit on band members while wives are standing RIGHT THERE. People are ridiculous and I fully believe someone would say something that stupid to Brian and that they say it enough that it's kind of freaking him out. He's just being real. That's it. - WingsForWheels wrote:
- NeverTrustAJunkie wrote:
- His answers are only as new and interesting as the questions he's asked are.
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- You opened with "May," one of the slower songs off Handwritten.
it would just be nice if he gave some insight into why he thinks Mae is a good opener instead of just relating it all back to his thing about how he doesn't care what people think and how the band will do what it feels like. I don't know what you're getting at here. This was his answer to that question. - Quote :
- It's real slow. It's odd. People are like, 'Why are you doing that? Why are you starting with a slow song?' It's because that's what we do. When we're playing our own shows, we kind of have this flow that goes much like a play. For us it's just night to night. It's different. You're coming to see us, but whatever you get, that's what you get. Some nights you get, as they say, the hits set. Or some nights you get the weird set. I'm not gonna go out there and play the same thing every night. Some bands do that. It drives me crazy. Fortunately for us, there's not like really a "hit song."
It's impossible to satisfy everyone in the crowd. What is the problem with what he said here?
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steph The Navesink Banks
Posts : 7938 Join date : 2009-04-21 Age : 40 Location : arizona
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:04 pm | |
| just to clear this up, i'm not "drinking the Brian Fallon kool-aid". my position on this topic actually has very little to do w/ Brian Fallon, but with any "famous" or semi-well known public person who has to deal with this issue. | |
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bringiton_ty I'da called you Woody
Posts : 621 Join date : 2012-04-24 Age : 37 Location : Wales, UK
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:05 pm | |
| - Shrewsbury_Stars wrote:
- I really don't see one side of this debate convincing the other and people should just agree to disagree.
Either you are bothered by certain comments or you're not. If you're not bothered, great, I don't want you to be. But don't tell me I'm "fucking ridiculous" if I feel differently.
The fact is that some people view all things Brian Fallon-related through rose tinted glasses and they drink the Brian Fallon Kool-Aid. And that's fine. I'm just not one of those folks. I agree mate. We are all entiltled to our opinions here. Telling us were ridiculous for taking Brians attitude the way we have is ridiculous. Brian seems to idolize Strummer in a way he tells us not too with him so that also seems ridiculous | |
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| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:05 pm | |
| - Shrewsbury_Stars wrote:
The fact is that some people view all things Brian Fallon-related through rose tinted glasses and they drink the Brian Fallon Kool-Aid. And that's fine. I'm just not one of those folks. Straw man argument! |
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White Man In Hammersmith Wooderson
Posts : 301 Join date : 2012-05-19 Age : 34 Location : Swansea, Wales
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:10 pm | |
| - steph wrote:
- just to clear this up, i'm not "drinking the Brian Fallon kool-aid". my position on this topic actually has very little to do w/ Brian Fallon, but with any "famous" or semi-well known public person who has to deal with this issue.
It's only an issue if you can't accept that some people are bloody odd. That's no reason to treat everyone like they could be potential bunny boilers. | |
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IrishNameAndAnInjury The Navesink Banks
Posts : 13514 Join date : 2011-09-16 Age : 42 Location : Spokane Valley, WA
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:11 pm | |
| - steph wrote:
- just to clear this up, i'm not "drinking the Brian Fallon kool-aid". my position on this topic actually has very little to do w/ Brian Fallon, but with any "famous" or semi-well known public person who has to deal with this issue.
THIS. | |
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NeverTrustAJunkie The Navesink Banks
Posts : 4685 Join date : 2009-10-22
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:18 pm | |
| - Quote :
- Theyve mentioned meet and greets in the fan club and if they intend to do this then they wont be meeting fans at shows anyway as it would take the shine off those that got a meet and greet.
Have also personally seen bands meet people out at the bus after charging fans inside for a meet and greet. | |
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bringiton_ty I'da called you Woody
Posts : 621 Join date : 2012-04-24 Age : 37 Location : Wales, UK
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:20 pm | |
| Then again hes in the wrong game and naive if he thinks you can play in a "BIG BAND" and not have these issues with some fans or a loss of privacy. But a decent fan is always respectful of this and doesnt try to interupt their lives. and its decent fans who watch these video interviews when they pop up. | |
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bringiton_ty I'da called you Woody
Posts : 621 Join date : 2012-04-24 Age : 37 Location : Wales, UK
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:22 pm | |
| - NeverTrustAJunkie wrote:
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- Theyve mentioned meet and greets in the fan club and if they intend to do this then they wont be meeting fans at shows anyway as it would take the shine off those that got a meet and greet.
Have also personally seen bands meet people out at the bus after charging fans inside for a meet and greet. same. had Tim Armstrong call me over to meet him then met him again where he dropped some gear on the bus and came straight back over for a chat and hang out with me and mates. Now thats a fan's man haha | |
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saltandburn1967 The Navesink Banks
Posts : 2891 Join date : 2012-05-21 Age : 35 Location : Overland Park, Kansas
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:26 pm | |
| - bringiton_ty wrote:
- Then again hes in the wrong game and naive if he thinks you can play in a "BIG BAND" and not have these issues with some fans or a loss of privacy. But a decent fan is always respectful of this and doesnt try to interupt their lives. and its decent fans who watch these video interviews when they pop up.
Yeah, crazy fans are one of those things that come with the job. I have a buddy who is one of the nicest, most genuine people you will ever meet. He is also a police officer. Two weeks ago he shot and killed a man because they drew a gun on his partner. Killing a person, no matter who they are, is a hard thing to deal with and fucks up your mind completely. He hasn't been the same guy really but he still says it is part of a job and he knew it could happen. I am just saying, you have to know fan's are going to become a huge thing once you get to a certain level of fame. Quit bitching about it.....killing a person and wiping their soul from existence is a lot harder to do than turning down someones request for a pizza and coke. Many of my friends are paramedics, firefighters, police officers, military personal, nurses, and doctors and they never bitch about their job. No offense to the big rockers out there but these jobs I just listed are a MUCH MUCH MUCH harder than being in a rock and roll band. I think I just hate when people bitch about things......... | |
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Harbortown The Navesink Banks
Posts : 6784 Join date : 2011-04-13 Age : 34 Location : yes
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:28 pm | |
| - saltandburn1967 wrote:
- bringiton_ty wrote:
- Then again hes in the wrong game and naive if he thinks you can play in a "BIG BAND" and not have these issues with some fans or a loss of privacy. But a decent fan is always respectful of this and doesnt try to interupt their lives. and its decent fans who watch these video interviews when they pop up.
Yeah, crazy fans are one of those things that come with the job. I have a buddy who is one of the nicest, most genuine people you will ever meet. He is also a police officer. Two weeks ago he shot and killed a man because they drew a gun on his partner. Killing a person, no matter who they are, is a hard thing to deal with and fucks up your mind completely. He hasn't been the same guy really but he still says it is part of a job and he knew it could happen. I am just saying, you have to know fan's are going to become a huge thing once you get to a certain level of fame. Quit bitching about it.....killing a person and wiping their soul from existence is a lot harder to do than turning down someones request for a pizza and coke. Many of my friends are paramedics, firefighters, police officers, military personal, nurses, and doctors and they never bitch about their job. No offense to the big rockers out there but these jobs I just listed are a MUCH MUCH MUCH harder than being in a rock and roll band. I think I just hate when people bitch about things......... I think you make a few good points there. Besides, I remember reading an interview (last year or the year before) where he said he doesn't want to be Billie Joe Armstrong famous, yet he keeps saying he wants to fill arenas. It doesn't work that way. | |
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NeverTrustAJunkie The Navesink Banks
Posts : 4685 Join date : 2009-10-22
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:33 pm | |
| Believe everything you read. Please. It's the only way to form proper opinions on anyone. Especially an interview that claims to have taken place at Lollapalooza but states they opened up with "Mae." Clearly no editing going on there at all. | |
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brianisbae A Contender
Posts : 289 Join date : 2010-04-24 Age : 31 Location : Central Massachusetts
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:34 pm | |
| He also said how when he was a kid he met someone from Skid Row or something and how they were super friendly and how he always wants to be good to fans because he doesn't want them to remember their one time meeting him being lame because of stupid reasons. I wish more people were like Frank Turner. We are all the same. Not "fans", y'know? Just people, who dig what other people do. Doesn't make us inferior. | |
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White Man In Hammersmith Wooderson
Posts : 301 Join date : 2012-05-19 Age : 34 Location : Swansea, Wales
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:49 pm | |
| @NeverTrustAJunkie
But it's not just a one off. He's stated this in at least 3 interviews I have read. I don't know why you and others feel obliged to defend Brian at all costs. What was said that irked some fans has been very clearly discussed in this thread and no one can tell me how I should feel about it. | |
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NeverTrustAJunkie The Navesink Banks
Posts : 4685 Join date : 2009-10-22
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:54 pm | |
| No one can tell me how to feel either. You don't understand us defending him and I don't understand why you insist on spinning him as a jerk.
What a fun thread! | |
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IrishNameAndAnInjury The Navesink Banks
Posts : 13514 Join date : 2011-09-16 Age : 42 Location : Spokane Valley, WA
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:00 pm | |
| - NeverTrustAJunkie wrote:
- No one can tell me how to feel either. You don't understand us defending him and I don't understand why you insist on spinning him as a jerk.
What a fun thread! It really is, isn't it? I'm sure this is what Brian was talking about when he said, "Dimestore Saints is a great place to check out and hang with some really nice people." | |
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Harbortown The Navesink Banks
Posts : 6784 Join date : 2011-04-13 Age : 34 Location : yes
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:01 pm | |
| I don't see how anyone in this thread hasn't been nice, Shannon. | |
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NeverTrustAJunkie The Navesink Banks
Posts : 4685 Join date : 2009-10-22
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:01 pm | |
| I'd also like everyone to direct their attention to the top of this web page. - Quote :
- Dimestore Saints is a great place to check out and hang with some really nice people.''
Yeh. Sounds like Brian really doesn't like his fans. | |
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jzancan A Contender
Posts : 197 Join date : 2010-04-19 Location : Crofton, Maryland
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:09 pm | |
| - enola wrote:
- IrishNameAndAnInjury wrote:
- but we don't know Brian as a person, so maybe we shouldn't judge him either. Just my opinion.
I could not agree more We aren't judging him as a person. We are judging him as the face of a rock'n'roll band. I don't think Brian Fallon is arrogant or an asshole or anything like that. I do think that he should choose his conversation topics directly regarding fans more wisely. Don't keep telling your fans how they should view your place/status in the music scene. And stop using every interview as a platform to tell fans you have no interest in going to dinner with them or whatever hyperbolic situation you feel like using in that moment. These types of statements come across as arrogant and condescending to many people. That's just the reality (note: comes across as). I don't care what he's like as a person, it's just not good business. | |
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White Man In Hammersmith Wooderson
Posts : 301 Join date : 2012-05-19 Age : 34 Location : Swansea, Wales
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:12 pm | |
| - NeverTrustAJunkie wrote:
- No one can tell me how to feel either. You don't understand us defending him and I don't understand why you insist on spinning him as a jerk.
What a fun thread! But I ain't telling you how to feel haha just expressing my own viewpoint. This is a forum. Not Kansas. | |
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jzancan A Contender
Posts : 197 Join date : 2010-04-19 Location : Crofton, Maryland
| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:19 pm | |
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Harbortown The Navesink Banks
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| Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Q&A Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:34 pm | |
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