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While I don't buy into the whole "artists purposely stealing" thing, I do think it's almost insane how much the intro to Take a Run at the Sun sounds compared to 45. Not saying that Gaslight stole, or hell, were even inspired by it (come on, who's ever heard of Muff Potter?), but the resemblance is striking.
I kind of thought the same but looking at their wiki page, they're an alternative/punk rock band from Germany who toured with Chuck Ragan and released a split vinyl with him. We may not know who they are but it wouldn't surprise me if TGA did. I agree, I think since any art is supposed to be a personal expression, stealing intentionally probably would ruine the whole experience and negate any reason for doing it.
We've run out of riffs is all. Nothing to be alarmed about. 45 betters all those other songs considerably.
There are a few Springsteen examples of this:
The Badlands/Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood One - this one's already been mentioned but I think Bruce originally wrote the Badlands riff in a minor key and it sounded a lot closer to The Animals. I can't imagine it being anywhere near as anthemic as it is had it stayed that way. Outlaw Pete/I Was Made for Loving You (Kiss) Radio Nowhere/Jenny-8675309 (Tommy Tutone)
brianisbae A Contender
Posts : 289 Join date : 2010-04-24 Age : 30 Location : Central Massachusetts
When I first heard the little clip of 45 before the whole song was released, I thought the chorus sounded a lot like the chorus in 'Welcome to the Family' by Avenged Sevenfold. This happens all the time...it doesn't really bother me. From what I've heard on Handwritten (small clips) , three out of five use the same progression in the chorus (or wherever). I'm talking about Am-F-C-G...that progression, only in different keys. Like what they play all through Old White Lincoln American Slang - 4 (DCSC, Orphans, Old Haunts, Spirit of Jazz). 59 Sound - 7 (Great Expectations, 59 Sound, OWL, High Lonesome, Miles Davis, CB!, HLAY,K) SatQ - 2 (SatQ, Blue Jeans) Sink or Swim - 4 (Wooderson, 1930, Drive, Divorce) They've used the same progression in many or their songs, yet made each one sound totally different. So of course you're going to find similarities - there's only so much you can do with one progression. I know this is a different part of the song, but still, you could find similarities to other songs in any Gaslight song. It doesn't mean they said "hey, let's steal this and hope no one notices!". well, maybe they do, but they've been able to make everything sound original, even 45, despite having an intro like that.
For the Avenged Sevenfold thing, it's around :40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OZs7IoWTvc
Jack The '59 Sound
Posts : 1218 Join date : 2009-12-12 Location : Jersey
I haven't listened to the song yet, but I can't help but feel if it was the other way around people on here would be going nuts.
Maybe some would, but that would be stupid. I don't remember anyone freaking out when Pray For Tucson came out and the verses sounded that much like Meet Me By The River's Edge. Why? Because it doesn't matter. It's all been done by someone before, so just make sure the songs you put out are worthy of an entry into an already crowded world of music. That's what makes it worth listening to.
And just as a general response to the topic at hand, Chuck Ragan's Meet You In The Middle sounds a little like Jenny but I'm not foolish enough to think Chuck was sitting around thinking, "Hey, you know what my fans would go crazy over? Chuck Ragan Does Tommy Tutone!!!"
Klown The Navesink Banks
Posts : 3526 Join date : 2012-03-11 Age : 45 Location : Portadown, N.Ireland
I haven't listened to the song yet, but I can't help but feel if it was the other way around people on here would be going nuts.
You mean like when a couple of people here got upset because that one airborne toxic event song that sorta sounded likt TQOLC? And that was only 'sorta sounds similar' and not 'its basically the exact same riff'
gaslightfan89 Red In The Morning
Posts : 61 Join date : 2010-05-05
Subject: Re: Gaslight stealing opening Riff to 45 Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:25 am
Its not blatant enough for me to say they stole it, but yeah being that rock and roll is based off of 3 chords a lot of it can sound similar one way or another.
CluckyB The '59 Sound
Posts : 1020 Join date : 2009-06-16
Subject: Re: Gaslight stealing opening Riff to 45 Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:04 am
gaslightfan89 wrote:
Its not blatant enough for me to say they stole it, but yeah being that rock and roll is based off of 3 chords a lot of it can sound similar one way or another.
I donno man... its too similar to assume it just randomly happened to sound to say. Is it a complete ripoff? No. But did they get the riff from that song... probably.
While I don't buy into the whole "artists purposely stealing" thing, I do think it's almost insane how much the intro to Take a Run at the Sun sounds compared to 45. Not saying that Gaslight stole, or hell, were even inspired by it (come on, who's ever heard of Muff Potter?), but the resemblance is striking.
I have seen that this has been discussed in another thread before...wondered why there wasn't a big discussion breaking out ...now we've got one
In Germany where I live nearly everyone whos really involved to punkrock knows Muff Potter. They are not that unknown at all... They've played with Pennywise, Billy Talent , Queens of the Stone Age or Chuck Ragan/Hot Water Music before..they broke up in 2009 I think. I'm pretty sure Brian didn't copy that part by accident..I think he knew about Muff Potter (there's a lot of interviews where you notice that Brian knows about smaller bands a lot of us wouldn't know)
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simo The Navesink Banks
Posts : 1983 Join date : 2009-07-03 Age : 32 Location : Columbia, Missouri
To be honest the 45 riff is one which is very easy just to mess around with a guitar and instantly start playing. It's incredibly simple, and before 45 came out I often found myself playing variants of the exact same chord shapes. The reason it sounds so similar to other songs is Jlblue points out. Music is limited by just 12 notes and as thus, thing will sound the same as other things!
Raoul_Duke Red In The Morning
Posts : 75 Join date : 2010-07-13 Age : 38 Location : London, England
Like Nicholas said it is a common chord progression... especially for GA. The riff is just picked chords which makes it even less unique and ultimately it is no problem at all that it sounds like other songs.
nebraska A Contender
Posts : 151 Join date : 2011-05-15 Age : 33 Location : Chile
While I don't buy into the whole "artists purposely stealing" thing, I do think it's almost insane how much the intro to Take a Run at the Sun sounds compared to 45. Not saying that Gaslight stole, or hell, were even inspired by it (come on, who's ever heard of Muff Potter?), but the resemblance is striking.
I have seen that this has been discussed in another thread before...wondered why there wasn't a big discussion breaking out ...now we've one
In Germany where I live nearly everyone whos really involved to punkrock knows Muff Potter. They are not that unknown at all... They've played with Pennywise, Billy Talent , Queens of the Stone Age or Chuck Ragan/Hot Water Music before..they broke up in 2009 I think. I'm pretty sure Brian didn't copy that part by accident..I think he knew about Muff Potter (there's a lot of interviews where you notice that Brian knows about smaller bands a lot of us wouldn't know)
muff potter have a split with hot water music, so we know that brian likes hwm, it's obvious that he knows about muff potter
Jeff A Contender
Posts : 129 Join date : 2010-01-22 Location : Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey
I don't know, saying that it's obvious he knows them or has heard them is kind of just random conjecture. I really love the Bouncing Souls, and they've done splits with other bands, but it doesn't mean I listen to... *checks Wikipedia* Anti-Flag, for instance, who they've done a split with. I've heard of them, but I wouldn't be able to name any of their songs, let alone be able to know if something I hear sounds similar to them.
To me it's just silly to make those kinds of assumptions about what was going on in the band's head. All we really know is what they say, and the honesty they tend towards in their music and in their interviews gives me no reason to believe that they would've lifted the riff.
Besides, I keep thinking of the few lines of Too Much Blood that we know:
"Are you scared this sounds familiar? What if everybody knew the very trials and temptations that we put ourselves through? I ain't no angel, but I got nothing to hide..."
It doesn't sound to me like the words of a man who would steal a riff. It sounds to me like the words of a man who would pour his heart into every song he's got, make it his life's work, and treat it seriously. I'm pretty sure that's what the whole "Handwritten" thing is about. Honesty, directness, etc.
riversedge I'da called you Woody
Posts : 630 Join date : 2011-07-13 Age : 30 Location : UK/New York
Subject: Re: Gaslight stealing opening Riff to 45 
Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:37 pm
And that was only 'sorta sounds similar' and not 'its basically the exact same riff'
...now we've got one
